„Wait, Is it a Date?” Podcast Episode 102: The Chart | Autostraddle

This week on „hold off, So is this a night out together?” we are joined by Autostraddle President and

L Keyword

expert
Riese Bernard
to talk about: The Chart. Yes it’s true! This event is about lesbian interconnectivity — starting up with buddies’ exes, buddies hooking up with your exes, and culture developed by everything crisis.

Appear when it comes to news, remain for the mental handling. And before that enjoy a-game that assessments Christina’s boundaries: Would U-Haul? (Spoiler alert: she usually will never.)

Thank-you for all your great comments after all of our premier! When you yourself haven’t but think about providing us with a rating or review!

SHOW NOTES

+ 5 years ago Riese assembled an
Old Hollywood chart
that is the intersection of most my personal passions.

+ Discover
the essay
I reference in which We mention setting up with my roommates.

+ My personal crush in the week Mj Rodriguez introduced a music video clip on her behalf track
„Something to state”
!

+ As anyone who has merely viewed a small number of episodes of

The Nanny

this montage
of Christina’s crush of this week C.C. Babcock had been stunning in my opinion with regards to proved she and Niles commonly both homosexual. (Christina informs me they basically nonetheless tend to be.)

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Drew:

I’d be extremely fine with-it existing. I would personally never include another person without their permission. But the concept of each time some one was actually like, „concur that you’re attached to me,” I’d end up like, „Yeah, this is the life I stayed. I really don’t mind.” Is unusual? Usually difficulty?

Christina:

No, because if I happened to ben’t, i’d feel poor not. I might end up like, „Wait, I am not lying?”

Theme song performs

Drew:

Hi, I’m Drew.

Christina:

Hi, I’m Christina.

Drew:

And thank you for visiting

Wait, Is It A Date?

Christina:


Wait, Is It A Romantic Date?

is an Autostraddle podcast inquiring the major questions. To begin with, can it be a romantic date? Exactly what are dates? Who will be dates? Can we like dates? They are sorts of concerns we address on this subject right here extremely specialist and beautiful podcast.

Drew:

I’m called Drew Gregory. I’m a writer at Autostraddle and a filmmaker and, famously, a trans lesbian.

Christina:

I’m Christina Tucker. I am additionally a writer at Autostraddle. I am a loud queer on the web. I’m improving at explaining myself as a writer and, famously, a lesbian. That is us. That is which the audience is.

Drew:

Yeah. And thus our very own major topic this week could be the Chart.

Christina:

I recently believed it required a sting. I am not sure. That believed actually dramatic, but i do believe it needed it.

Drew:

Yes. No, please, kindly, please. Thank you so much, thank you. No, no, no. The most effective amount of crisis.

Christina:

Thank you so much.

Drew:

Yeah. Therefore we’re dealing with lesbian interconnectivity.

Christina:

I favor that phrase as it seems like you ought to resume the lesbians. It may sound such as the connection to the internet isn’t really functioning.

Drew:

Yes. it is very higher level, very futuristic, and 's been around since there is lesbians, i believe.

Christina:

Yeah. I think scholars would say whenever they discovered one lesbian fossils, they discovered a chart alongside of those created in to the mud. And I also genuinely believe that’s exactly what that flick means, proper? It’s about the chart? That film with Kate Winslet while the mud fossils?

Drew:


Ammonite?

Christina:

Yeah, that’s what it’s about.

Drew:

I wish

Ammonite

was about cave women. I’d view that lesbian flick.

Christina:

Really, when I haven’t observed it, i will courageously say that it absolutely was. Cool.

Drew:

Yeah. Since it is like we numerous lesbian period parts, but we have never gone right back that much. And that I believe it’s the perfect time we would.

Christina:

Let’s merely keep taking it furthermore back in time.

Drew:

Before we become to our major subject, you are however getting to know united states. And I felt that it would be enjoyable to play a game where you dudes could truly become familiar with Christina. Therefore the icebreaker with this few days is slightly video game that we call „Would U-Haul.”

Christina:

I am, once again, very pressured concerning this. This might you need to be ways I come into the game. This might be my game mentality, a tiny bit high-key, just a little stressed. That is ok. We are all reading.

Drew:

I believe which is great. In my opinion that’ll push you to be more susceptible, maybe.

Christina:

Certainly my personal favorite thoughts.

Drew:

Merely a terror, simply a serious terror. Therefore the manner in which „Would U-Haul” really works is actually i will explain a situation. Let us refer to it as Christina follower fiction. And I also’m probably pause after every little area become similar, „Okay, Christina, i understand you have never ever stayed with somebody, do not want to accept somebody. But under these scenarios, would U-Haul?”

Christina:

And I will both say yes or we’ll say, „i am prepared.”

Drew:

If you don’t — really, we’ll see right here. But i am excited. I believe i have possibly damaged the signal.

Christina:

You damaged the signal? I am thrilled.

Drew:

Let’s observe how long this requires. If in case you never perform, i believe you winnings? I’m not sure just how there are winners right here.

Christina:

I am not sure that there are winners into the online game of U-Hauling.

Drew:

Well, I’m not sure in the event that you’ll go along with that following this. Thus I’m going to get going.

Christina:

Reasonable adequate.

Drew:

Okay. Thus, Christina.

Christina:

Drew.

Drew:

You are at the buddy’s wedding. Inspite of the large number of romcoms you’ve soaked up, you did maybe not choose this wedding considering you would meet any person because, well, this is not a romcom. Here is the actual and normal longevity of Christina Grace Tucker. You’re taking your designated chair and are glancing at your cellphone whenever you recognize a woman at your table wants at you. She presents by herself as the buddy’s previous babysitter. She actually is remained a friend on the household, but she does not actually know anyone there. She appears to be mid-forties and has now a striking angular face. You begin talking. She offers to produce a glass or two. Once she stands up, you recognize she actually is six foot tall, 6′ 3″ in heels. Which means you know what? I’m simply browsing hold on there and get like, at this point, would U-Haul?

Christina:

I’m fascinated. I’m fascinated because i would get put only at that wedding ceremony. But at this point I am not U-Hauling anyplace.

Drew:

Cool. That’s entirely fair. Totally reasonable. Okay. So that you spend whole wedding learning one another. Absolutely only an instantaneous spark and instant chemistry. And yes, you are doing get together therefore the intercourse is actually remarkable.

Christina:

Tight.

Drew:

Therefore this wedding ceremony was a student in Northern California. And so you both extend your remains for three times to bang and explore and consume at restaurants and shag. While provide to separate the price of the now joint room, but she laughs you down and it is love, „Obviously perhaps not, honey.” Therefore the then 3 days tend to be miraculous. You are feeling the wall space tumbling down. You’re slipping faster than you actually ever have actually. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Very just for clearness’s benefit, i am having difficulty picturing a world whereby we took three surprise days off strive to go out with you I do perhaps not understand. That looks bonkers. However if i did so, good for me. But i am simply not U-Hauling during this period. It’s going to be a no.

Drew:

Great. Okay. Which is great. You only met. I have it. I have it. Okay.

Christina:

Thank you so much really.

Drew:

So she returns to New York while go back to Philadelphia.

Christina:

This is where I live.

Drew:

And you’re texting everyday. That is where you reside which is where this girl life. And you are texting everyday and you also see both many times a month. She is extremely busy together job, but she is quick to buy you a train ticket to help you appear see this lady and remain at her breathtaking brownstone in Fort Greene. Right after which six months go. And something evening when you’re off to supper, she asks you to definitely move in along with her. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

And proceed to Ny? I really don’t really love New York. No, I’m not transferring from the 6 months tag. I am not carrying out that, no.

Drew:

Okay, okay. Totally, totally, entirely. Wow. Okay. So you hold matchmaking long distance. She understands that you need some time she is prepared to anticipate you. Even more several months move. It is now been over a-year. Your own landlord tells you that they’re selling your house to a developer that’s setting up condos, you can’t renew it. You should discover an innovative new place. Your own today gf tells you that no pressure, but the woman provide nevertheless stands. Would U-Haul?

Christina:

Okay. Now, I would personally U-Haul for a couple of explanations.

Drew:

Yay! Fine. Kindly reveal.

Christina:

Mostly, in a world whereby my personal property owner sold the house to build up it, my personal property manager happens to be my companion, to make sure that seems like something moved wrong within our relationship. And that I might want to just leave Philadelphia in any event. Incase I have to move in with my sweetheart over right here, that seems fine. That’s great. Completely fine. But yeah, i do believe i may require an external force like a mean landlord.

Drew:

That’s therefore — fine. I did believe that you’d must need casing to get truth be told there, and so I’m grateful We knew that.

Christina:

Yeah. That’s just what actually needs to accidentally myself initial.

Drew:

Really, i am glad to understand what it takes. Thus in theory, if you weren’t knocked away, how much more hours?

Christina:

Truly, that could have gone on for a long period. Philly and ny are not also that far from one another. I obtained space over right here. We’re bouncing back and forth. We’re having happy times. I could have allow that roll for a long period until i suppose Shoshana turns into the worst person I know.

Drew:

I did not know Shoshana possessed your own home. Really, there you decide to go.

Christina:

There we go. Wow, that has been thrilling.

Drew:

Well, many thanks for playing.

Christina:

I’m stressed, are clear.

Drew:

And that I’m grateful that i understand… Maybe if you’re previously, anytime anybody’s ever internet dating both you and desires one relocate, possibly your own gf told Shoshana to offer our home in the interest of the union.

Christina:

Genuinely the quickest method — some one would just have to keep in touch with Shoshana and stay similar, „only kick the girl .” And she’d resemble, „Yeah, certain. Needless to say.” That would be the way it occurred, although she failed to sell the house. Some one would just be like, „are you able to simply kick her away therefore she’s going to just overcome it and move around in with me?” And she would say yes. One hundred percent she’d do this. That is what relationship is.

Drew:

Everyone loves that.

Christina:

Yeah, that’s truly breathtaking.

Drew:

Really, I believe like we discovered lots in regards to you.

Christina:

Many Thanks. I’m like I learned a large amount about my self, too. Threat of homelessness is truly the thing that helps to keep me moving in any circumstance, i assume. Wow.

Drew:

Well, which is fantastic.

Christina:

Which was really thrilling. I am equally excited to go into the major part because I think making reference to lesbian connection because of this visitor, with this particular unique guest, I think it’s going to be incredible, Drew. Exactly how will you be experiencing?

Drew:

I am very thrilled. This is exactly an expert. And by that, i am talking about an

L Keyword

specialist, and some an expert when you look at the subject at hand.

Christina:

In my opinion two things is real, my pal. I think a few things are genuine certainly. Can we desire to present our guest or can we want our guest to introduce themselves?

Drew:

I might love our visitor to introduce herself.

Christina:

Guest.

Drew:

I am going to say that our visitor could be the one and only Riese Bernard.

Christina:

Guest, communicate.

Riese:

Hi, I’m Riese. And it is unusual is the guest!

Christina:

Yeah, really.

Riese:

I’d to not say something. I did not even take action. I did so state things. I got to stay here calmly.

Christina:

And you also had been truly daring. And your confronts happened to be valued.

Riese:

Many thanks a great deal.

Christina:

Though that is demonstrably an audio medium, I want all of our listeners to know that Riese ended up being creating some great reaction confronts during „Would U-Haul.”

Riese:

There is many ways to be heard. You-know-what after all? That’s what i usually state. I am the President of Autostraddle.com. And that I’m additionally on an undefeated kickball group. That is certainly me. We have a puppy known as Carol. And that I have actually dated people.

Christina:

Congrats on the kickball!

Riese:

Thank-you. I have been a part of folks.

Christina:

Great. Enjoying that. That’s fantastic to take to this, this right here online dating podcast. That is great.

Riese:

Yeah. I believe that… Is there other things?

Drew:

No, i believe that’s great, Riese.

Christina:

Anything you like to discuss.

Riese:

I like raspberries, the good fresh fruit raspberries, and private pools.

Christina:

Compared to…

Riese:

You know when someone goes like…

Drew:

It really is like as soon as you strike. Yeah.

Christina:

Oh. Those tend to be gross, and so I merely evacuated them from my brain.

Riese:

Yeah. And that is all.

Christina:

Great.

Drew:

Really, we immediately thought of you with this subject.

Christina:

That is correct.

Drew:

Because to start with, clearly, queer women and non-binary people in lesbian community have-been like, I don’t know, having sex with others whom people they know have experienced sex with since well before

The L Keyword

ended up being ever a set. But I do feel

The L Word

solidified a particular cultural idea of the data with Alice Pieszecki. And so I felt like you might have countless insight into this topic.

Riese:

It really is correct. Two of the people, i do want to state, of

The L Term

had this genuine information of these in addition to their friends they certainly were attracting on wall or whatever. And Guinevere Turner, i do believe, was one among these. She talked to us regarding it, they had constructed this. Because certainly, everybody else in this copywriter’s room had banged others when you look at the journalist — you are sure that, therefore the extensive internet of that generation of lesbians in L. A.. And they also watched can these were like, „Why don’t we place it from inside the program.” And a few of these take the data. Like, some of the people which … like, genuine folks are in the information as bull crap.

Christina:

That’s amazing. Which is how you know you have made it.

Riese:

Is not that pretty?

Christina:

That could be exciting for me personally.

Riese:

And when you yourself haven’t observed

The L Term,

firstly, congrats. Secondly, it gets the centerpiece of a single of one’s head character, Alice’s, apartment. She has it-all over the woman wall structure. Looked after could be the title of a site which they started called ourchart.com that flopped. Plus the concept … And it’s in pilot, In my opinion. During the 1st event, Alice begins writing on just how every person’s linked, because everybody’s installed with this specific person. And that I can hook up you, like you’re most likely no more than two levels far from me. And that ended up being correct. Like, even with Dana, who’d very limited experience because she was a closeted golf member, they nonetheless were able to connect their. And that is actuality because it’s correct.

Christina:

Which is culture. Yeah. That is what society appears to be.

Riese:

That’s society. That’s queer tradition right there. Nowadays everybody else helps make their particular charts.

Christina:

Yeah. So as that was going to end up being my personal after that concern, was actually have actually either of you made a chart? Because I really don’t consider i’ve, I am also type of now considering like, that was this just last year seated inside my home for if I don’t generate a chart? Like, what was the point of that, actually?

Riese:

I believe i have completed it in my own journal, just like like … Because i prefer, I’m not sure, arranging information, i suppose, as a thought workout.

Christina:

Yeah, i believe that is also precisely why I am astonished that i’ven’t done it. I prefer the notion of categorizing circumstances.

Riese:

Correct. Yeah. Because it’s interesting. I don’t know why it is very interesting, but it is. It is interesting becoming similar, wow, many of these men and women, they’re linked. It’s wild.

Drew:

On show, once ourchart.com is actually invented, they’ve a real information that people can add on stuff. And I feel like something you joked pertaining to on

To L and Straight Back,

and today folks state constantly is like, if this existed in a genuine method, not one person would place their particular brands about it, no body would feel at ease placing their names about it.

Riese:

You’ll.

Drew:

I might. I’d be very great with-it current. I might never include another person without their own permission. Although notion of want, whenever somebody was like, „make sure you are attached to me personally,” I would resemble, „Yeah, this is the existence I resided. Really don’t care about.” Is odd? Would be that difficulty?

Christina:

No, since if I wasn’t, I would feel bad not-being … i might be like, „hold off, I’m not on it? Like, I’m sorry, just what?” No, that will in fact deliver myself into lighting ethical panic about whom I am as people, the things I’m carrying out. Are we interesting? Carry out men and women {like
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